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	<title>Comments on: Review: Manitou Minute Super 140mm with 20mm Thru Axle</title>
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		<title>By: 198</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-18173</link>
		<dc:creator>198</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Hayes group is going to bring the Manitou name back to their former glory, but it is going to take some time to move through the pipeline. The Dorado is getting fantastic reviews, so that is a sign they are going in the right direction. In the meantime, the offerings from Fox and RockShox are better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Hayes group is going to bring the Manitou name back to their former glory, but it is going to take some time to move through the pipeline. The Dorado is getting fantastic reviews, so that is a sign they are going in the right direction. In the meantime, the offerings from Fox and RockShox are better.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Wylie</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Wylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking to replace the Manitou Minute One on my Stumpjumper Pro 120. I had been looking at Fox and Rock Shox. There is an exchange program available through Manitou that now has me giving thought to another Manitou. If not for this exchange program that offers some value I would not be considering Manitou because the Minute One that came on the bike has been less than satisfactory. Poor quality components. Rebound adjust made of cheap plastic broke early on later the travel adjust broke. Purchase by Hayes Group gives me a little more confidence but the reviews are not glowing. Any thoughts anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking to replace the <a href="http://mountain.bike198.com/manitouminute" style="color:#33CC33;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://mountain.bike198.com/manitouminute';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">Manitou Minute</a> One on my Stumpjumper Pro 120. I had been looking at Fox and Rock Shox. There is an exchange program available through Manitou that now has me giving thought to another Manitou. If not for this exchange program that offers some value I would not be considering Manitou because the Minute One that came on the bike has been less than satisfactory. Poor quality components. Rebound adjust made of cheap plastic broke early on later the travel adjust broke. Purchase by Hayes Group gives me a little more confidence but the reviews are not glowing. Any thoughts anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Sutton</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-17960</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for you input!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 20mm TA is an enormous process in comparison with the other thru axles on the market today. Like you...I have been on the 20mm TA bandwagon for awhile now...if this was 3 or 4 years ago, that would not have been an issue. But...in comparison with the competition in today&#039;s market, it is a huge limiting factor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have had great CS out of the Hayes group as well and we finished up reviewing the Stroker Ace brakes that we loved and I am in the process of throwing the Grams through the ringer now. Like I said in the review, I see promising things coming out of Hayes right now so I hope they can continue that path and update the Minute to better compete with the other 140mm forks on the market today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for you input!</p>
<p>The 20mm TA is an enormous process in comparison with the other thru axles on the market today. Like you&#8230;I have been on the 20mm TA bandwagon for awhile now&#8230;if this was 3 or 4 years ago, that would not have been an issue. But&#8230;in comparison with the competition in today&#39;s market, it is a huge limiting factor.</p>
<p>I have had great CS out of the Hayes group as well and we finished up reviewing the Stroker Ace brakes that we loved and I am in the process of throwing the Grams through the ringer now. Like I said in the review, I see promising things coming out of Hayes right now so I hope they can continue that path and update the Minute to better compete with the other 140mm forks on the market today.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Sutton</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for you input!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 20mm TA is an enormous process in comparison with the other thru axles on the market today. Like you...I have been on the 20mm TA bandwagon for awhile now...if this was 3 or 4 years ago, that would not have been an issue. But...in comparison with the competition in today&#039;s market, it is a huge limiting factor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have had great CS out of the Hayes group as well and we finished up reviewing the Stroker Ace brakes that we loved and I am in the process of throwing the Grams through the ringer now. Like I said in the review, I see promising things coming out of Hayes right now so I hope they can continue that path and update the Minute to better compete with the other 140mm forks on the market today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for you input!</p>
<p>The 20mm TA is an enormous process in comparison with the other thru axles on the market today. Like you&#8230;I have been on the 20mm TA bandwagon for awhile now&#8230;if this was 3 or 4 years ago, that would not have been an issue. But&#8230;in comparison with the competition in today&#39;s market, it is a huge limiting factor.</p>
<p>I have had great CS out of the Hayes group as well and we finished up reviewing the Stroker Ace brakes that we loved and I am in the process of throwing the Grams through the ringer now. Like I said in the review, I see promising things coming out of Hayes right now so I hope they can continue that path and update the Minute to better compete with the other 140mm forks on the market today.</p>
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		<title>By: SprungShoulders</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-17846</link>
		<dc:creator>SprungShoulders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hayes has a revised Absolute damper out that improves the overall performance of the platform.  Request one from their excellent customer service department (email response in less than 24 hours; new damper on my doorstep in a week) and give it a go.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And &quot;enormous process&quot; to get the front wheel on?!!?  Are you serious??  Do we so easily forget the Marzocchi QR20 design?  Or even their standard 20mm TA (they should have included a rubber mallet with the &#039;05 66!)?  I&#039;ve been on 20mm forks exclusively for more than five years, and Manitou&#039;s HexLoc is no more difficult than an other design I&#039;ve used (Marz, RS and WhiteBros; never owned a Fox).  For goodness sake just flip the bike over and hold the wheel - not the bike - to line up the hub in the drops.  Slide the axle in, tighten end cap and pinch bolts and you&#039;re good to go.  I did this for YEARS with my old Sherman, each time I rode, since I had a Fork-Up&#039;ed Yakima roof rack.  Slightly inconvenient?  Yes.  An &quot;enormous process&quot;?  Hardly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve pounded the crud out of my Minute Super (breaking a Norco 4By frame in the process) and, though not as stiff as, say, a Pike, it weighs in at nearly 2# less.  For the weight I find it exceptionally solid.  Indeed, surprisingly so.  I wouldn&#039;t ride around 50/50&#039;ing doubles or chucking it off anything larger than ~5ft, but for the type of terrain generally encountered on most AM trails it&#039;s fine (for my ride weight of ~160, at least).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also find the suspension action smooth and generally well behaved.  The only issue of note is that the initial stroke is SO plush that, IMHO, it tends to afflict the fork with an excessive degree of brake dive.  The end stroke ramps aggressively to ward off bottoming while descending aggressive terrain, but given the forks plushness it would be nice if a real speed-sensitive low speed compression circuit adjustment were available (the ABS platform is much too coarse to use as a true low speed comp tweak).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as a side note, I&#039;ve had nothing but prompt and courteous customer service from the Hayes Group.  From a real live person.  How refreshing to use the &quot;Contact Us&quot; link on a website and actually get a timely response!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is the Minute perfect?  No.  Is it generally up to their competition?  IMHO yes.  People seem to set RS on a golden pedestal these days, quick to overlook things like constant problems with their DualAir design, and apparently their inability to put out a fork with an external Floodgate adjustment that doesn&#039;t weep oil after a short time (I&#039;ve had THREE RS&#039;s do this, so it&#039;s NOT an isolated thing).  The &#039;09 Boxxer was a bit of a mess, as well.  And Marz?  You&#039;ll have to pry my &#039;05 888 out of my hands, since most of what they&#039;ve produced since moving mfg&#039;ing out of Italy has been poop. ...Though the Italians did seem to think oil was optional some days.  ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyhow, thanks for the great site.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayes has a revised Absolute damper out that improves the overall performance of the platform.  Request one from their excellent customer service department (email response in less than 24 hours; new damper on my doorstep in a week) and give it a go.</p>
<p>And &#8220;enormous process&#8221; to get the front wheel on?!!?  Are you serious??  Do we so easily forget the Marzocchi QR20 design?  Or even their standard 20mm TA (they should have included a rubber mallet with the &#39;05 66!)?  I&#39;ve been on 20mm forks exclusively for more than five years, and Manitou&#39;s HexLoc is no more difficult than an other design I&#39;ve used (Marz, RS and WhiteBros; never owned a Fox).  For goodness sake just flip the bike over and hold the wheel &#8211; not the bike &#8211; to line up the hub in the drops.  Slide the axle in, tighten end cap and pinch bolts and you&#39;re good to go.  I did this for YEARS with my old Sherman, each time I rode, since I had a Fork-Up&#39;ed Yakima roof rack.  Slightly inconvenient?  Yes.  An &#8220;enormous process&#8221;?  Hardly.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve pounded the crud out of my Minute Super (breaking a Norco 4By frame in the process) and, though not as stiff as, say, a Pike, it weighs in at nearly 2# less.  For the weight I find it exceptionally solid.  Indeed, surprisingly so.  I wouldn&#39;t ride around 50/50&#39;ing doubles or chucking it off anything larger than ~5ft, but for the type of terrain generally encountered on most AM trails it&#39;s fine (for my ride weight of ~160, at least).</p>
<p>I also find the suspension action smooth and generally well behaved.  The only issue of note is that the initial stroke is SO plush that, IMHO, it tends to afflict the fork with an excessive degree of brake dive.  The end stroke ramps aggressively to ward off bottoming while descending aggressive terrain, but given the forks plushness it would be nice if a real speed-sensitive low speed compression circuit adjustment were available (the ABS platform is much too coarse to use as a true low speed comp tweak).</p>
<p>And as a side note, I&#39;ve had nothing but prompt and courteous customer service from the Hayes Group.  From a real live person.  How refreshing to use the &#8220;Contact Us&#8221; link on a website and actually get a timely response!</p>
<p>Is the Minute perfect?  No.  Is it generally up to their competition?  IMHO yes.  People seem to set RS on a golden pedestal these days, quick to overlook things like constant problems with their DualAir design, and apparently their inability to put out a fork with an external Floodgate adjustment that doesn&#39;t weep oil after a short time (I&#39;ve had THREE RS&#39;s do this, so it&#39;s NOT an isolated thing).  The &#39;09 Boxxer was a bit of a mess, as well.  And Marz?  You&#39;ll have to pry my &#39;05 888 out of my hands, since most of what they&#39;ve produced since moving mfg&#39;ing out of Italy has been poop. &#8230;Though the Italians did seem to think oil was optional some days.  <img src='http://mountain.bike198.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for the great site.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Sutton</title>
		<link>http://mountain.bike198.com/review-manitou-minute-super-140mm-with-20mm-thru-axle/#comment-17773</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree. But - like I said - I hope they can pull it through with what they have going on with their DH lineup. What surprised me is that Guitar Ted over at twentynineinches said the Manitou was stiffer than the RockShox Reba...and that is not true at all (I have both).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d have to agree. But &#8211; like I said &#8211; I hope they can pull it through with what they have going on with their DH lineup. What surprised me is that Guitar Ted over at twentynineinches said the Manitou was stiffer than the <a href="http://mountain.bike198.com/rockshoxreba" style="color:#33CC33;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://mountain.bike198.com/rockshoxreba';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">RockShox Reba</a>&#8230;and that is not true at all (I have both).</p>
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		<title>By: feedthehabit</title>
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		<dc:creator>feedthehabit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manitou&#039;s forks lineup is way behind the competition and has been since they went overboard with OnePointFive years ago. The Sherman was a great idea, but the internals sucked. Likewise, every other Manitou fork I&#039;ve ridden since has either blown up within weeks (2005 Manitou Nixon) or I&#039;ve had to suffer through a noodly experience just hoping the fork didn&#039;t break on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manitou&#39;s forks lineup is way behind the competition and has been since they went overboard with OnePointFive years ago. The Sherman was a great idea, but the internals sucked. Likewise, every other Manitou fork I&#39;ve ridden since has either blown up within weeks (2005 Manitou Nixon) or I&#39;ve had to suffer through a noodly experience just hoping the fork didn&#39;t break on me.</p>
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